Pigeon : I I may have fallen halfway in love with Jaime myself during the knighting scene. In another one of my unfortunately rambling posts a day or two ago, I suggested that Queen Daenerys or King Aegon will legitimize Gendry Baratheon — for reasons separate and apart from his coupling with Arya. According to Tormund? No one important to the core story line has died, and all major deaths so far were misdirection:.
War of the Five Kings? Spoiler alert. None of the kings were important to the main plot other than getting the true leads where they are now. Ned as Hand of the King? Sorry, just the catalyst to kick the story into gear and seperate the leads into their own plots. Misdirection, set up from the start. Revealed 6 episodes before the end, making it highly likely to play into the ending. Margaery playing the game and becoming queen? It depends on the Other, right?
And age and power one of the 12 would factor in, I imagine. How much Valyrion steel do we have and who has it: 1. Jon — Longclaw 2. Brienne — Oathkeeper 3. Jorah — Heartsbane 5. Meera will she show? Arya — the nameless baby dagger. Am I missing some? We have loads of dragonglass, but I suspect dragonsteel will be what gets most WWs.
Ginevra Quote Reply. KG Quote Reply. King in the North East ,. Sure, the other kings and infights were merely pieces to be played and lost. Most are secondary and can be done away with without any major adjustment to the story arc; Only Jon, Dany and the Lannisters are really of any major significance.
Even the Starks have become second fiddle to the narrative, even though the family was the backbone to earlier stories. In storytelling terms, Cersei always was the lead protagonist, the NK was the real deflection.
Sure there could be one more act for the two of them, but his story could also end here. A heroic ending of redemption. Also having that scene as a send-off to Brienne is well done, but a little obvious, right? GoT is kinda notorious for leading us down one path, then throwing a curve ball at us.
Someone who utterly desires you for who you are, not in spite of who you are. As for the others who might perish, I still think most main characters have to lose at least one person who is very close to them. Dany will lose either Jorah or if Jaime survives Tyrion. Sansa will lose Theon and Royce both. Arya will lose the Hound or Gendry one, but not both…my money is on Gendry because I think the Hound has one more reunion on the horizon. Lyanna Mormont will likely make it through, especially if Jorah dies.
Ser Beric dies in some meaningful way that respects his many lives and the purpose of the lord of light. Ten Bears : In another one of my unfortunately rambling posts a day or two ago, I suggested that Queen Daenerys or King Aegon will legitimize Gendry Baratheon — for reasons separate and apart from his coupling with Arya.
It should still be floating around IG somewhere. Wimsey: The primary protagonists should make it, unless the story is somehow being structured so that there are multiple apices toward the end.
Even then, the first climax usually is for 2nd-tier protagonists. Good to hear a sound reminder of what story-telling is! Theon redeemed, sacrifice ahead. Btw, I love the way they symbolically passed all VS swords across families, suggesting, next to other points, this is no longer about families, at least not in the old way.
Probably Tormund no clear arc, and they already made us fear for his life twice, during the Hunt and at the wall. Probably Pod, too Brienne becoming a Ser makes him an actual squire at last. Beric because it makes sense — and that would leave the Hound kind of in charge of the Brotherhood, interestingly , both for this nihilist lone dog arc and, if you think of the Mountain especially in the books, because that would add another layer to the Cleganebowl.
Not sure about Davos, though. Actually, I agree with many of your posts. Maybe even on Arya and Viserion at least, Arya killing something that needs throwing an arrow or a knife to the heart, without aiming too long. Then we all hear Ned clap.
I agree with you too, here: the ending is a huge part of it. So, I will reconsider next week. And the next. AnnOther Quote Reply. She probably meant Jon is already dead. KG : Ten Bears ,. The 7 Kingdoms were forged through conquest, but never existed as a single country prior to Aegon the Conquerer. But Robert took the throne from them through rebellion. We now know that his rebellion was built on a lie. Aerys has certainly committed numerous crimes against his subjects and deserved to be deposed, but Rhaegar is innocent of the crime that led to his death at the trident.
He never abducted or raped Lyanna. So Robert killed him unjustly. What does that make Robert? Was he the rightful king at all? Who has more right now? I genuinely am so muddled and confused about how I feel about it now.
Che Quote Reply. Chilli Quote Reply. It is confusing. A bit like a court of law where each side gets tangled up making the whole case far more complex than you at first thought. The hereditary right and the right by conquest. Unless and until a ruling family is conquered the hereditary right stands. Therefore the IT currently has been conquered by Robert and without a legitimate heir it is up for grabs. As his widow, Cersei has no right other than by conquest…which she has exercised.
Had the Mad King not been deposed, Jon is the heir. She is below him in the line of succession. Just as Prince Harry as a sibling, would not inherit the British throne in the absence of Prince William, as William has children.
Dyanna Quote Reply. Not really. The Night King can be defeated late game after a retreat to Kings landing. Or a partial victory might happen. The dramatic potential to keep the dead in play is too great to squander by taking them out so soon. The doomsday scenario that will force them all into a corner and have to make impossible decisions.
It makes little sense to lower the stakes before the end. And the amount of characters still alive IS massive. Of the actual leads, no one has died except for arguably Ned. I watched the trailer right after the episode so I think I combined that sentence to the end of the episode.
Chilli : Che ,. How though? She has the strongest claim to the Northern throne as the oldest Stark, if the north survives as an independent kingdom, but the 7 kingdoms? I agree with this. Defeating the NK fully and completely and erasing that whole complication from the board in episode 3 lowers the stakes quite dramatically for the second half of the season.
It would also seem strange to me for Cersei to avoid any interaction with the dead. With all the focus, for years and years, about how the living needs to band together to defeat the NK and that the Iron Throne is not what is important, is she really going to get away with that? Dyanna : Che ,. If Cersei is defeated and both Jon and Dany survive to that point in the story, it will be interesting to see what happens. The culmination of the great game. I am also British with a great love of history, though I am much more enamoured with the Ancient Greeks particularly the Spartans and the Romans.
After Thrones, I may delve into some Medieval history. I have a Medieval one he did, so I may attempt that one. My thoughts exactly, hence I believe both will survive and Jon will be forced to choose between love and duty, foreshadowed by Maester Aemon.
I see the same happening again. Survival is. Davis summed it up with his comment last season about it not mattering whose skeleton sits on the Iron Throne. There is always a compromise. Joint ruling with a King and Queen. However, Jon is freaked out by the incest angle while Dany is not.
Oh dear. Will Jon for once in his life foresake duty for love? Is he more Rhaegar than Ned in the end? Will the people let him? Given a choice the Westerosi would rather Jon who is actually the lawful heir. Looks like they might at the moment. When Dany and Jon die, all the Targaryens are dead. Gendry is not a legitimised Baratheon. Sansa would be next of kin. Given how close the sisters are now, it would make sense that Arya would confide in Sansa about her feelings toward him.
Anyone can make a claim if they have an army to back it up. Then the winner writes the history It is known. Direcat Quote Reply. Neither of them will be king or queen. As soon as the song is over, the scene cuts to…Jon and Dany, where Jon reveals his true Targaryen lineage to Dany. This is not a coincidence. Well, duh. Dany could very well die giving birth while Jon dies in battle. I would have to assume Tyrion and Sansa would do it.
If Jon and Dany die, who has the best claim to the throne? I believe it would be Sansa, therefore, I could easily see a scenario where Sansa rules with Tyrion as her Hand, and they both take care of the baby.
She is a cousin through his Stark side. Sansa is free to take it through conquest if she so desires and is in a position to do so, but she has no actual claim. Direcat : Anyone can make a claim if they have an army to back it up. Anyone can take the throne through the power of conquest if they have the biggest army, but to make a claim, you actually have to have some legitimate link to the line of succession. Besides, it seemed the culmination of her arc was finally realising that home in Winterfell is where she wanted to be and where she was happiest.
Also, in the books, she is not one of the primary protagonists the big 5 around whom GRRM wrote his story brief. She has become so in the show, but seeing as the ending for the main characters in the show will mirror those in the books, it seems a massive stretch to see Sansa taking the throne.
He zeroes in on how she loved Renly even though he was gay and how she's a virgin. The latter is something Tyrion rudely brings up in "The Last of the Starks," but leads to Jaime and Brienne having sex for the first time. When Brienne takes offense to his offensive comments, Jaime shows his softer side to her for the first time. I don't blame you either. We don't get to choose who we love," he says, referring to his well-known incestuous relationship with Cersei.
Jaime and Brienne go sword to sword after he snags one of her weapons. He taunts her, "See? If you were willing to hurt me, you might have had me there. But that didn't hold her back from defeating him As Jaime had warned her, Locke and his men are planning to rape Brienne. But to stop this assault, Jaime lies and tells Locke that Brienne's dad is extremely rich due to sapphires and would pay him very well if "she's alive, her honor unbesmirched.
Weak from losing his hand, Jaime falls off his horse while headed to Harrenhal with Locke. The soldiers then take advantage of the fallen Kingslayer by beating him. Brienne tries to help the suffering Jaime, but once they have a few swords pointed at her throat, she gives up.
Still, by this moment, their bond is officially solidified. Jaime is depressed after losing his sword hand and just wants to die. But Brienne gives this spoiled Lannister the tough love he needs to go on.
The Harrenhal baths scene is not only one of the more famous scenes of Game of Thrones , but it's also a top-notch shipping moment — and that's not just because they see each other's naked bodies. After Jaime mocks Brienne for being unable to protect Renly, he apologizes and admits he trusts her.
He promised to fight for the living. Keeping that promise was enough to inspire him to break from Cersei. Does that mean he dies in her arms? Does that mean he kills her? Do they die together? So if you want to talk about tragedy in Game of Thrones talk about Jaime Lannister a man who came so close to being the hero he always wanted to be and fell back on old habits anyway.
The director of photography weighs in. Joanna Robinson is a senior staff writer at Vanity Fair. HWD Daily From the awards race to the box office, with everything in between: get the entertainment industry's must-read newsletter. Rorge's gang arrive there; Brienne intervenes to protect the inn occupants, kills Rorge, but gets critically injured by Biter at the ensuing fight.
While lying injured and feverish, she repeatedly calls Jaime. When Brienne regains consciousness, she becomes aware that she and her companions are held captive by the Brotherhood Without Banners , which has fallen low ever since Beric Dondarrion 's final death; now it is led by the monstrous Lady Stoneheart the reanimated Catelyn.
Brienne is accused of serving the Lannisters, since she carries a Lannister sword and a parchment signed by Tommen and has been repeatedly mentioning Jaime's name.
They intend to kill Pod - because he was once Tyrion's squire, and Hyle Hunt - because he is one of Randyll Tarly 's household knights, who captured and killed many outlaws. Brienne, shocked to see the monster Catelyn turned into, tells her she was looking for Sansa, and that Jaime has changed; her words fall on deaf ears.
Lady Stoneheart, who has no sense of justice and seeks only revenge, incorrectly believes that Jaime was involved in the Red Wedding, and gives Brienne a choice: "Take the sword and slay the Kingslayer, or be hanged for a betrayer".
Brienne refuses to make the choice; Lady Stoneheart commands to hang them. As the ropes become tighter, Brienne screams a word in order to save her companions George R.
Martin confirmed she said "sword" [23]. A few hours later, he meets Brienne at Pennytree. Jaime is stunned to see her injuries Biter's handiwork.
She tells him that she found Sansa, and "I can take you to her, ser Elsewise, the Hound will kill her". It is obvious to the readers that Brienne is lying, since Sansa is in the Vale, and the Hound's fate is unknown. It appears Brienne intends to lead Jaime into a trap. Game of Thrones Wiki. Game of Thrones Wiki Explore.
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